I cannot see through others eyes, I can only see through the filter of my own experience, prejudice etc.
I know for certain that if I were to encounter those women socially, in over half the cases I would take one look and KNOW that was a transperson.
..... but then I'm probably hypersensitive to the situation. Perhaps Joe Public wouldn't notice - I have no way of knowing.
Yes, I've seen women sometimes with quite masculine faces, but I have very rarely been in any doubt - I think "That born-woman has a very masculine face"
- and that is perhaps the difference that I am seeing in those FFS pics - that beforehand I would instantly know, afterwards in most cases I would think most a born-woman, though slightly masculine and a few I would wonder if trans.
Are the differences minimal? Yes, because the actual differences between male and female faces are actually very small......it's just that we as a species are acutely sensitive to them, so they APPEAR more marked. (I am not talking about the extremes there, really bulldog faced guys who look hyper-masculine)
It's not about whether the people are really pretty or not. A woman can be pretty ugly, yet still very clearly a born woman. In fact, the biggest nose that I have ever seen on any person was a young born woman I saw in the mall whilst in London to go to CX. After a couple of glimpses of her profile, I thought she MUST be a transwoman and finished up trailing her around the store, trying to actually get a good look at her face. It took a while, but as soon as I could see her properly I knew she was definitely a born-woman. She was confident and bubbly too and so still very attractive. But in terms of simpler measurement, that was a hell of a nose.
Meh....... I have no true idea what others see, I can only see what I see.
This discussion has taken place in the Dr Bart thread, but the principles raised aren't specific to him - I've felt the same as you looking at a gallery of others work, even Ousterhout.
*It would be nice to be comparing exactly like-for-like - same hair, same lighting, no make-up etc but we're not.
* I think it is good and fair that the work shown covers a broad spectrum of types and degrees of success. It must be tempting to show only the cases where your work has been exceptionally successful ...... which might lead to unrealistic expectations and consequent disappointment.
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